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Post by flylooper on Oct 28, 2009 11:48:37 GMT -5
I think both parties are undergoing transformations.
The GOP has almost completely subsumed its traditional role as a center right party in favor of becoming raging mob of racist, anti-federalist Christianists and in doing so, they are now controlled by VBM (Very big money). It is the party of anti-intellectualism, viewing anyone who questions their dogma to be an "elitist," a socialist.
The Democrats, likewise, are morphing into something which, at this point, is not yet completely in focus to me. There is a strong progressive movement afoot in the hinterland, but the party leadership is still playing footsie with Clintonian pragmatism. It is possible the the leader's (Obama's) much vaunted virtue of being unwilling to move quickly is really indecisiveness. Or vice versa.
We shall see.
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Post by arozanski on Oct 28, 2009 11:55:06 GMT -5
Okay - I (admittedly) skimmed through the Democratic platform, here: www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.htmlComment: 59 pages? Really? However, I agree with (most of) the sentiment, but have serious concerns on how it is to be done. I did read the GOP platform thoroughly, but that is because it appears to be one page long, in a PowerPoint format: www.gop.com/index.php/learn/what_we_believe/Comment: I have none,as there is no content for me to comment on. Maybe I missed it?
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Post by jimschmidt on Oct 28, 2009 17:14:06 GMT -5
A liberal who is willing to apply conservative practice (basically forcing other people to comply with your moral values) to modern problems. I'd say your heart is in the right place. Interesting - please expand on this: basically forcing other people to comply with your moral values. I don't understand which part. That I got this from your post or the hypocricy that conservatives bring to their list of values.
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Post by arozanski on Oct 29, 2009 5:15:34 GMT -5
Interesting - please expand on this: basically forcing other people to comply with your moral values. I don't understand which part. That I got this from your post or the hypocricy that conservatives bring to their list of values. This - "basically forcing other people to comply with your moral values". Was this directed at me, or a general statement of conservatives? And what parts of what I put down led you to make that statement?
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Post by jimschmidt on Oct 29, 2009 7:06:25 GMT -5
Let's try another approach. (but with limits to prevent abortion being used for multiple instances of birth control), What am I? Don't worry about it. The desire to judge the morals of others is both powerful and seductive. I'm not beyond it myself, but it's not liberal to do so.
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Post by arozanski on Oct 29, 2009 7:12:30 GMT -5
Let's try another approach. (but with limits to prevent abortion being used for multiple instances of birth control), What am I? Don't worry about it. The desire to judge the morals of others is both powerful and seductive. I'm not beyond it myself, but it's not liberal to do so. Okay, I see now. I believe there are better ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies (education primarily, plus easy-to-access birthcontrol (pill, condom, IUD, what have you)), rather than abortion. But I do see what you mean.
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Post by jimschmidt on Oct 29, 2009 7:34:23 GMT -5
Of course. All the alternatives seem better, most notably birth control. The tipping point is whether you offer the options or legislate them.
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Post by will on Oct 29, 2009 12:03:17 GMT -5
Okay - I (admittedly) skimmed through the Democratic platform, here: www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.htmlComment: 59 pages? Really? However, I agree with (most of) the sentiment, but have serious concerns on how it is to be done. I did read the GOP platform thoroughly, but that is because it appears to be one page long, in a PowerPoint format: www.gop.com/index.php/learn/what_we_believe/Comment: I have none,as there is no content for me to comment on. Maybe I missed it? There's a telling difference in format. The Democrats get into all kinds of things, argue with each other, and tend to fill up endless pages with ideas. The Republicans use bumper sticker slogans. Power Point is just bumper stickers for middle management suckups stuck in meetings anyway.
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Post by arozanski on Oct 29, 2009 12:21:52 GMT -5
Okay - I (admittedly) skimmed through the Democratic platform, here: www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.htmlComment: 59 pages? Really? However, I agree with (most of) the sentiment, but have serious concerns on how it is to be done. I did read the GOP platform thoroughly, but that is because it appears to be one page long, in a PowerPoint format: www.gop.com/index.php/learn/what_we_believe/Comment: I have none,as there is no content for me to comment on. Maybe I missed it? There's a telling difference in format. The Democrats get into all kinds of things, argue with each other, and tend to fill up endless pages with ideas. The Republicans use bumper sticker slogans. Power Point is just bumper stickers for middle management suckups stuck in meetings anyway. The Democrats should update that platform to indicate that Obama won - it would be a bit more current. I am shocked (really) that the GOP has that as their platform. How can a major political party in the USA look at that and be content?
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Post by john on Oct 29, 2009 14:26:46 GMT -5
That's what happens with no leadership and no foresight.
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Post by county on Oct 29, 2009 19:09:58 GMT -5
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Post by jimschmidt on Oct 30, 2009 11:21:17 GMT -5
That's what happens with no leadership and no foresight. ;D
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Post by will on Oct 31, 2009 16:54:48 GMT -5
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Post by flylooper on Nov 1, 2009 10:43:28 GMT -5
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Post by arozanski on Nov 11, 2009 13:05:04 GMT -5
Hey, we're getting busier...
Mo' info.
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