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Post by fathawk on Oct 30, 2009 21:28:13 GMT -5
So, as I have posted before, I'm not an immigrant. I do not collect disability, social security or any welfare of any type.
I own a lot of stuff. I owe on a lot of stuff. I work two jobs, my wife works two jobs and we have a child.
Why should I be on Obama's side?
Serious replies please.
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Post by flylooper on Oct 31, 2009 6:32:42 GMT -5
Why not is a better question.
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Post by jimschmidt on Oct 31, 2009 11:55:32 GMT -5
Reading between the lines, I don't think you should. You don't seem to be the kind of person who believes that working together benefits everyone. If I'm right, he's not your guy.
Seriously. He's the us president, not the me president.
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Post by jamesadie on Oct 31, 2009 14:47:36 GMT -5
I guess I agree: if your only criterion is whether or not what he does benefits you personally, there's no reason you should support him.
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Post by county on Oct 31, 2009 16:43:23 GMT -5
Well, what you need to do is read the platforms of the two parties and support which ever candidate represents the party you most support.
Once a candidate is elected you need to support him (Not necessarily agree with him) because he is the president. This means, in the current context, not posting things that are disparaging (For no good reason) and false.
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Post by fathawk on Oct 31, 2009 20:55:01 GMT -5
I guess if you ask a simple question you get simple answers. So, in essence I got what I asked for.
I will restate in another thread more detailed questions to the information I seek.
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Post by county on Oct 31, 2009 20:57:54 GMT -5
I guess if you ask a simple question you get simple answers. So, in essence I got what I asked for. Well, I expect it would appear that way to the simple minded. |
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Post by fathawk on Oct 31, 2009 22:19:45 GMT -5
Oooh, a jab, maybe?
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Post by fathawk on Oct 31, 2009 22:22:05 GMT -5
:)I mean, I guess I didn't read the cryptic answers correctly because I am uneducated right?
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Post by ksjnx on Nov 1, 2009 12:10:42 GMT -5
Why not is a better question. that is not a better question... lol |
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Post by ksjnx on Nov 1, 2009 12:15:06 GMT -5
So, as I have posted before, I'm not an immigrant. I do not collect disability, social security or any welfare of any type. I own a lot of stuff. I owe on a lot of stuff. I work two jobs, my wife works two jobs and we have a child. Why should I be on Obama's side? Serious replies please. Seems to me like you have no reason to. But the issue is if you are paying into all these programs and services, you might as well take a piece of the pie, right? if you pay into social security.medicare, or any universal health care system you pay for, it should be your personal obligation to get as much as you can for your dollar. I would rather get something for a lot than nothing for something. |
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Post by will on Nov 1, 2009 12:20:18 GMT -5
For pure short-term selfishness, most people would be better off voting for GOP candidates. But it would be purely short-term reasons. In the longer term, the policies Obama supports will improve the entire country and benefit everyone. Not everyone will benefit equally, but more equally than under a plutocratic philosophy like his opponents'.
Think of it this way: Right wing thought is like mining. Left wing thought is like farming. You tell me which one will make you prefer.
Then there is the commons problem the right wing completely misses. When everybody is out for the most immediate gain to the exclusion of all else, we are all impoverished in the long run.
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Post by ksjnx on Nov 1, 2009 12:26:32 GMT -5
Selfishness is at every level. The Government can not take away greed or selfishness. Greed and self interest is just as rife in the political world as it is anywhere else, if not more.
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Post by jimschmidt on Nov 1, 2009 22:04:20 GMT -5
That argument is the equivalent of the one I often hear from racists, "Everyone is a racist."
Every healthy person has self-interest. However that is entirely different from selfishness. The selfish ideology argues that opportunity is finite and that one can only secure it by taking it from someone. But if opportunity is infinite (as I believe) one secures it by working cooperatively with others. People who believe the latter find a better fit in the ranks of Obama supporters.
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Post by will on Nov 1, 2009 22:32:16 GMT -5
That argument is the equivalent of the one I often hear from racists, "Everyone is a racist." Every healthy person has self-interest. However that is entirely different from selfishness. The selfish ideology argues that opportunity is finite and that one can only secure it by taking it from someone. But if opportunity is infinite (as I believe) one secures it by working cooperatively with others. People who believe the latter find a better fit in the ranks of Obama supporters. Hence my comments about the commons problem. Conservatives have been missing the point for a couple years. I'm about 99% sure you know what the commons problem is and how it applies. Obama's philosophy addresses the commons problem, as does any thinking person's philosophy. The right wing misses it. Hence their tendency to insult our intelligence with stupid, selfish shit. |
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