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Post by jeromeoneil on Nov 11, 2009 17:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by john on Nov 13, 2009 11:33:44 GMT -5
This turned out to be factually incorrect.
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Post by jeromeoneil on Nov 13, 2009 11:56:52 GMT -5
Which part?
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Post by kitkat on Nov 13, 2009 12:02:39 GMT -5
NYT ran a story which says that (based on one anonymous witness) that she didn't do anything but get shot--the real hero was a black guy (the other DOD officer who responded). Official comment from the army is "we are waiting on the ballistics report", which will tell whose gun(s) actually put lead into the murderer.
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Post by flylooper on Nov 13, 2009 12:03:28 GMT -5
Shit. Who wrote the press release? McChrystal? (who did the original on the shooting of Pat Tillman) Curiouser and curiouser |
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Post by jeromeoneil on Nov 13, 2009 12:08:44 GMT -5
NYT ran a story which says that (based on one anonymous witness) that she didn't do anything but get shot--the real hero was a black guy (the other DOD officer who responded). Official comment from the army is "we are waiting on the ballistics report", which will tell whose gun(s) actually put lead into the murderer. Well that is news of a sort, I guess. I don't think it's a knock on her even if it is true. It sounds like he media propped up another Jessica Lynch story. So who's the other guy? |
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Post by john on Nov 13, 2009 12:19:56 GMT -5
NYT ran a story which says that (based on one anonymous witness) that she didn't do anything but get shot--the real hero was a black guy (the other DOD officer who responded). Official comment from the army is "we are waiting on the ballistics report", which will tell whose gun(s) actually put lead into the murderer. Bingo! |
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Post by kitkat on Nov 13, 2009 12:49:18 GMT -5
The other officer there was Mark Todd. Both he & Munley were on Oprah the other day and it is not like Todd himself is saying Munley is FOS or anything like that. She shot at the guy, Todd shot at the guy, one or both hit him and whose bullets they took out of the guy time will tell. BTW, Todd's account of what happened conflicts with the anonymous eyewitness the NYT trotted out as well. (Anonymous says the shooter was reloading when Todd put him down--Todd says he was taking fire when he fired the shots that dropped the guy.) Also the Munley story emerged after multiple eyewitnesses were interviewed by the officials on scene--the following day. So everyone here has eyewitnesses saying, evidently, different things. Surprise surprise--"Eyewitness Accounts Vary!" Now *thats* news! ;D
BTW, I think comparisons to the Tillman/Lynch case are BS. Tillman was set up to coverup a friendly fire episode (For which McCrystal should have been cashiered out of the service.). Lynch never claimed shit--others fabricated her hero tale while she was incommunicado in Iraqi hands and she set the record straight as soon as she was able as i recall.
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Post by flylooper on Nov 13, 2009 13:01:44 GMT -5
Once, in lower division college English, I had to write a paper on how peoples' background affect their view of something.
Here was the exercise:
Take a 50-cent piece or a silver dollar and imagine you know nothing about what it was in reality. Imagine this came from nowhere in particular. The only known is that it's a unit of money issued by a country.
Next, write about what deductions a clergyman, a scientist and a archaeologist would make, if someone asked either of them what the thing was.
The same with eyewitness accounts. We all see the same thing slightly differently from each other. (Kant: There is no reality!)
Anyway, that was once exercise I enjoyed and have never forgotten.
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Post by arozanski on Nov 13, 2009 13:07:32 GMT -5
Once, in lower division college English, I had to write a paper on how peoples' background affect their view of something. Here was the exercise: Take a 50-cent piece or a silver dollar and imagine you know nothing about what it was in reality. Imagine this came from nowhere in particular. The only known is that it's a unit of money issued by a country. Next, write about what deductions a clergyman, a scientist and a archaeologist would make, if someone asked either of them what the thing was. The same with eyewitness accounts. We all see the same thing slightly differently from each other. (Kant: There is no reality!) Anyway, that was once exercise I enjoyed and have never forgotten. What grade did you receive? |
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Post by john on Nov 13, 2009 13:21:20 GMT -5
Once, in lower division college English, I had to write a paper on how peoples' background affect their view of something. Here was the exercise: Take a 50-cent piece or a silver dollar and imagine you know nothing about what it was in reality. Imagine this came from nowhere in particular. The only known is that it's a unit of money issued by a country. Next, write about what deductions a clergyman, a scientist and a archaeologist would make, if someone asked either of them what the thing was.. Did they walk into a bar at any point during the scenario? |
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Post by flylooper on Nov 13, 2009 13:23:49 GMT -5
Once, in lower division college English, I had to write a paper on how peoples' background affect their view of something. Here was the exercise: Take a 50-cent piece or a silver dollar and imagine you know nothing about what it was in reality. Imagine this came from nowhere in particular. The only known is that it's a unit of money issued by a country. Next, write about what deductions a clergyman, a scientist and a archaeologist would make, if someone asked either of them what the thing was. The same with eyewitness accounts. We all see the same thing slightly differently from each other. (Kant: There is no reality!) Anyway, that was once exercise I enjoyed and have never forgotten. What grade did you receive? I probably didn't do it and took an "F." I don't remember. I was too busy helping Jesus down off the cross. |
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Post by will on Nov 13, 2009 18:52:01 GMT -5
Did they walk into a bar at any point during the scenario? It was when they all walked back out of the bar things got interesting. |
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